tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4969476149659734692.post7033376281694579553..comments2010-01-01T21:34:07.978-05:00Doug Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05754959319254266190noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4969476149659734692.post-35113823912254548562010-01-01T21:34:07.978-05:002010-01-01T21:34:07.978-05:00This is an intersting comment based on the topic listed. I am sure it is in reference to the fact that I quoted John Walvoord when looking at the Leviticus passage above. <br /><br />In any case, looking at the blog referenced I would have to first say that I am a pretrib dispensationalist. So my comments and views would not align with those of Joe Ortiz who appears to be against the pretribulation belief. Much of the article listed is concerned with the passage of 2 Thes 2:3. I would have to say that the pretrib belief does not hold its foundation on that verse. <br /><br />To start, I would like to make a few comments about the pretrib view. First, Scripture does teach that believers have not been appointed to wrath (1 Thes 5:9). Many would say that this does not refer to the tribulation, however, the context is directly concerning the beginning of the tribulation period (verse 2 and following of the same chapter). <br /><br />Revelation 3:10 also promises that the church will be protected from the hour of judgement. The word hour does not mean particular judgements but rather the time of judgement. Going back to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, there seems to be a sequence of events that must take place first. <br /><br />The tribulation cannot begin until certain things happen. First the man of sin must be revealed (v.3). However, before he can be revealed the restrainer must be removed. The restrainer is the Spirit of God. If the church can remain here through the tribulation, then the Spirit would have to be removed from believers. Is that possible? I would think that it is not possible as there is no Biblical evidence for that notion. I believe it is better understood that the instrument of the restrainer (the church) would be a better possibility of definition. <br /><br />The rapture, whether pre, mid, or post tribulation, cannot be fully discussed on a blog response but is an interesting topic that I will be presenting further information within the millenium blog (referenced linked on this page) that I just started. To conclude I would hold 1 Thes 1:10; 5:9; and Rev 3:10 as foundational to the pretrib rapture. Thank you for your comment.<br /><br />In Christ,<br />DougDoug Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05754959319254266190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4969476149659734692.post-22443708724381213542009-12-30T15:41:05.527-05:002009-12-30T15:41:05.527-05:00Would love to get your opinion of a new Google article &quot;Pretrib Expert John Walvoord Melts Ice.&quot; It was seen on Joe Ortiz&#39;s exciting blog titled &quot;The End Times Passover.&quot;Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com